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Reader's Jeer of the Week: A CSI: NY No-No
Carmine Giovinazzo and Anna Belknap by Eric Liebowitz/CBS
Posted by "sugah66"...
Jeers to CSI: NY for turning Danny into a cheater. In one scene, the writers managed to ruin Danny's character, his relationship with Lindsay, and the overall dynamic of the show. There is a reason I don't watch soap operas, and now there is a reason why I'll no longer be watching this show.
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Apr 18, 2008 11:41 AM
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I completely agree. There's a reason why I watch CSI:NY, and it's not because Days of Our Lives wasn't cutting enough drama for my taste.
Danny Messer had a lot of potential for growth, but never would I have expected said potential to propel him to the ground. I seriously hope the writers have got a fix up their hands, and it better be a believable one.
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Apr 18, 2008 1:42 PM
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Eh, don't see the guy's appeal in the first place. I'm fine with them cutting out the romance especially with your coworker storyline since that's not why I watch procedurals. Also, I think Lindsay can do better.
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Apr 18, 2008 4:55 PM
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I think they took it too far with the cheating and love triangles, which are the bread and butter of soap operas. I want to believe that "Right Next Door" was just a one time deal.
I still have faith in the writers and they know how to make it better.
Mr. Zuiker said so himself they aren't in the soap opera business. Let's hope he sticks to that.
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Apr 18, 2008 6:17 PM
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The character of Danny Messer is flawed, that is one of his appeals. I'm waiting until the full story plays out before passing final judgement but to me there is more to this than simply 'cheating'. Yes, what he's done is wrong but it's fuelled by grief and a desperate attempt to salve his conscience.
I believe his actions have been driven by a need to 'protect' Rikki from any further hurt. It's like he's trying to create a world where nothing else can touch them, all the while continuing to function in every other aspect of his life - oh, except his relationship with his girlfriend!!
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Apr 19, 2008 6:01 PM
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I have mixed feeling about this thing: Danny is my favorite character on the show, and I'm disappointed in his behavior, but it is believably presented (except for one part, but I'll come back to that). They're always leading us to believe that Danny will turn out to have a shady past, or be a jerk, only to turn around at the end and have him turn out to be practically a saint. This peccadillo serves to make Danny realistic, if flawed. I also find it completely realistic that he'd turn to Ruben's mother for contact and comfort.
The thing that I don't accept is his cavalier treatment of Lindsay. I thought their relationship was kind of cute, if pat, but it doesn't bother me if they have finally ended it. What DOES bother me is how Danny doesn't seem to be the least bit sorry about what he's done to "Montana." I can see him cheating on her, and easily accepting the end of their relationship, but he is acting as if he doesn't even realize he's done anything wrong--and I don't think that jibes with the character we all like so much.
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Apr 20, 2008 2:47 AM
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If they wanted to end any chances for a relationship for Danny/Lindsay, the writers could have come up with a better storyline than the grieving mother/guilt-trip story. This storyline has been sloppy from the get-go. Hopefully the writers have a point to all of this.
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Apr 20, 2008 12:37 PM
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I agree. I don't watch soap operas and don't intend to start now. The love lives of the CSI:NY characters have gone way too far this season. Mac and Peyton was annoying last season, now he and Jessalyn Gilsig????? Danny and Lindsay and Flack and Angell - it has gotten ridiculous. Zuiker says he isn't in the business of soap operas but you wouldn't know it by watching CSI:NY this season. This has been the worst season so far and I don't know how much more of it I can stand to watch. I hope next season is better!
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Apr 21, 2008 11:23 AM
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While I always thought Danny and Lindsay were cute together, I agree with danielle that I never really got the appeal of Danny and I didn't watch the show for romance.
What really bothers me isn't the fact that the writers broke them up, but how they did it. What could have been a compelling arc about the tragedy of a child's death was reduced to a cheap plot device to set up this soap opera storyline. Instead of showing Danny as a flawed human struggling with a loss, he's been portrayed as a self-absorbed jerk with no concern for anyone but himself.
This whole storyline was ill-conceived and poorly executed. The writers may be able to dig themselves out, but I'm not sure I'll be watching.
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Apr 22, 2008 8:40 AM
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I couldn't agree more! I can't even look at this character anymore. What a lying snake! UGH...........
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Apr 22, 2008 2:31 PM
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Oh, I dunno, I always enjoyed the Danny/Lindsay subplot. And although Belknap doesn't have the acting skills that Carmine possesses, but hey, this is entertainment, folks, not The Royal Shakespeare Theatre.
I must confess that I'm disappointed in the way the writers handled the breakup, if that's what this is. It's true that grief and guilt can make people act squirrely, but I don't think they become quite so self-destructive as Danny has become. It took Lindsay a while to overcome her reaction to a multiple murder of her friends, so it stands to reason that Danny would need some help overcoming his emotions. But he and the mother of the murdered children don't help each other--they wallow in it and keep the emotions alive with little chance of diminishing. And once these two come to their senses, I'll bet they're consumed with self-loathing and can't look each in the eye.
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Apr 22, 2008 10:47 PM
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They have taken it way to far..I saw a good story in Child's play and all that have done now is taken it to far, and destroyed what ever they had from the beginning.. turning Danny into a person I didn't think he was.. taken a grieving mother and turned her into a character I can't stad to watch anymore..just get rid of that character for good and get on with the show as it should be. cheating, lying, and all these stupid plot devices just to drag out some drama and angst is getting the classic signs of a seriously boring soap opera.
I sure hope they come up with something better for the remaining episodes for this season and the coming seasons.. since keeping this kinds of things up is just going to turn people away from the show.
I can hardly watch the scene with Danny & Rikki.. Pinol is a good actress but sorry I see no chemistry with Carmine,, when in scenes with her I hardly recognize him as the one we have seen for 3 ½ seasons.. I don't see the extra spark, I don't see the extra smile.. which I find he has with Anna.. they have been playful and have fun banter between eachother.. they click and I like them and for once let a couple be just that a couple.. there is no need of course to shove it at us...but since they got together ,,we really haven't been given much when it comes to Danny and his Montana.. I see so much breakups and all that with on screen couples..for once just let one of them actually be a couple..use them with overcoming things together.. not add plot devices to cause drama and angst between them..there is better ways to use a couple.. if you need drama you can have something they have to overcome together.. make them get stronger together as a couple..not this we have been served but the epi Right Next Door I think I have to say as Danny character wise have been one of the worst I've seen..and I rather not see anything like it ever again.. so guess it's time to build up his character again.. because this cheating , no thinking, kind of guy he is now I can do without.. if you want to bring in season 1-2 Danny there are other ways than assasinate his character by making him a cheater..
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Apr 24, 2008 5:39 PM
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I am extremely disappointed in the CSI: NY writers for their handling of the Danny/Lindsay relationship. If they had wanted to throw a "bump" in the relationship (as they had implied they would this season), did they have to do it via the most tasteless way possible?
I know that the character of Danny Messer is far from perfect, but over the course of three and a half seasons of CSI: NY, he has developed and matured, and a good part of this is because of the relationship that he has had with Lindsay Monroe beginning in Season 2. In just one episode, the writers have basically obliterated the man that Danny had become and replaced him with a selfish, dishonest cheater. The creature that passed for Danny Messer in "Right Next Door" was so far removed from the man that Danny had become that I found it difficult to watch him the entire episode.
Anthony Zuiker had said that he was "not in the soap opera business." If the Danny/Rikki mess in "Right Next Door" was not a soap opera, then I'm Melania Trump.
I can only hope that Zuiker and his team of writers have put forth this so-called "bump" in anticipation of a positive development for the Danny/Lindsay relationship, which they have, after the events of the Season 3 finale, completely botched this season.
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Apr 24, 2008 6:09 PM
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As a former avid soap watcher, I have mixed feelings about Danny cheating. I certainly do not agree that Danny and Rikki are a good match, as a matter of fact, I hate the Rikki character, she's annoying and her reasons for being around smacks of writers who were on the picket lines and bored, making up new ways to annoy the fans. I further agree that those "rooting" for Danny and Rikki to be together are only doing it to annoy those who like Danny and Lindsay or have ulterior motives. A fact I learned when dealing with soaps is that people generally only want an opposing couple for reasons other than they actually like the couple; they generally want that couple because they want the other couple apart for various reasons.
Danny was definitely a dog for what he did. He should come clean. What I find in my personal opinion is that obviously Danny and Lindsay aren't living together and their relationship is somewhat undefined. Are they truly committed only one to another or is there a gray area where Danny being with Rikki may fall?
Don't get me wrong, I want Danny and Lindsay but I want that loop pole so they can find a way past the events of the night in question.
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May 5, 2008 11:38 AM
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I disagree completely. Since there has been no confirmation of the status of Danny and Lindsay's relationship there's no reason to apply the "cheater" label to him. You can't cheat on someone if you weren't in an exclusive relationship with them and there is no evidence Danny and Lindsay were ever even dating casually, let alone exclusive. Danny and Lindsay fans wanting them to be in love and committed to each other doesn't make it canon.
Also, the poster in question has admitted they have never even watched the episode they are jeering, so it's impossible to take this seriously.
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May 19, 2008 2:05 PM
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