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Episode Recap: "Top 12 Perform"
Wow, how much did this improve from last week? I have to admit that my hopes were not high after that mediocre debut, but now that the bands are inside and I saw the format, I was quite impressed.
The set looks quite sharp, Dominic Bowden is actually a pretty decent host and Sheila E. looked mighty different than she did last week. But what impressed me the most was the format. The bands get to play one song with a theme and then one original. The original performances are what’s going to make or break this show. I’m curious to see what viewers will think of originals. It can be tough to listen to songs you don’t know. Personally, I like new music and I like hearing things I haven’t heard before. But I also know the feeling standing at a concert listening to music you aren’t familiar with. I can’t sing along and I really don’t know how to react. People can relate to covers. It’s harder to relate to the originals.
The other thing with the originals is that if these bands are going to get to perform an original every week, will some of them even have enough material to not duplicate their efforts? I’m sure Sixwire has plenty to carry them through, but how about Light of Doom? If these guys make it to the end, do they have eight to 10 originals they can do? I’ll be curious to see that.
I’m also shocked to see that Sheila E. is quite critical. It’s not that I wasn’t expecting that from her, but when you’re used to Paula Abdul showering nothing but praise, you can’t help but expect the woman sitting in her position to do the same. I’m excited Sheila’s being critical of the bands. John Rzeznik is the one who seems to be almost all sunshine and roses, but even he had a few critical comments as the show went on.
And finally, before we get to the bands, I’m very impressed they get to perform for a long time and do the cover and original back-to-back!
Tonight the bands get to start off with a Dylan cover and follow it right up with an original. So it’s time for me to be judge No. 4. In this blog, you’re not going to get a line-by-line recap of what the judges say because, well, in the end the opinion that matters is mine (and yours). I’m the one with the vote. You’ll get my honest thoughts on the bands and then please tell me if you agree or if you think I’m tone-deaf. So here we go:
The Poor:
Light of Doom — Well, I think I will take some heat for this one, but I didn’t like these boys much at all. “All Along the Watchtower” seemed very hurried to me, and the guitarist just wasn’t very good. These guys actually impressed me more last week, and frankly I wasn’t that impressed then. I love me some metal. I toss the horns up in completely inappropriate places all the time because I have metal oozing in my veins, but this is just tired. “Eye of the Storm” was nothing remotely unique. And they want to be a metal band, but the singer was slapping hands during the song and the guitarist was jumping up and down like he was in Third Eye Blind. Not metal.
Rocket — First off, I hate to constantly hear things like, “We’re just as good as the boys.” I know there aren’t that many female bands out there, but there are plenty of female solo artists and many of them sell millions more records than male artists. What’d I’d really like to see is an all-female group that conveys that message through the music because these ladies were not even remotely close to 90 percent of the bands making music today. I dislike the vocalist a lot and I think it was the worst rhythm guitar of the night. The guitarist was completely flat in both songs. Actually no, flat in the original and ugly in the cover.
Dot Dot Dot — Their singer Adam looks like a fool. Kind of a mix of Jared Leto and Bert McCracken from The Used. I look at the image and see emocore and I got Duran Duran. Either way, they sucked. I kind of enjoyed the arrangement on “Like a Rolling Stone” but none of the judges did, so I guess my tastes are a bit unique sometimes. Whatever I did like from them, though, ended with their original “Another Stupid Love Song.” The title itself just seems very clichéd to begin with, and there wasn’t one part to this, musically or vocally, that I liked. It was the only song of the night that I never want to hear again. The singer is the type of artist I make fun of, so these guys will never be a favorite of mine if they make it through, but looking past that, they just either aren’t that talented, or need to pick better songs. (But click on the link above and listen to their MP3. Whipped through a processor, these aren't that bad.)
The Average:
The Hatch — The band seemed to slip up in the middle on the Dylan song, and for the original it just seemed like they had a ton of energy on stage but for some reason the energy wasn’t coming out of the instruments. John was correct too, but there was no hook in their original. That’s OK if you’re a prog-rock band, but pop bands need hooks. These guys will probably stick around for a bit, but they need to improve.
Cliff Wagner & the Old #7 — Bob Dylan is a really good fit for these guys to start with. I truly like these guys, but this bluegrass just seems so out of place here. I give the judges credit for having the balls to pass this band through, but I just don’t think bluegrass fans are part of the 2.0 rating right now. It was kind of a weird and abrupt twist in the mood of the show. Overall, though, I thought they were solid. Not great, but decent. I just can’t even remotely imagine how these guys are going to get any votes.
The Muggs — Musically, I think these guys are decent. They are much more rock ‘n roll than I would have ever expected from ugly old men. But personally, I have to have the vocals and the guy can’t sing. He even admitted that at the end. So to keep my interest they are going to have to blow me away musically.
The Clark Brothers — I almost put these guys in the cool category but there was just something missing from “Maggie’s Farm” for me. Maybe it’s the lack of a drummer that’s throwing me off. I would really like to hear what they’d sound like with a nice subtle beat behind them. The cover just didn’t have the right vibe. Their song “Billy the Kid" was good, though. Again, a beat would have been nice, but it was a catchy tune with a catchy chorus. These guys will be around a while.
The Cool:
Denver and the Mile High Orchestra — I thought starting off the show with a super upbeat take on Dylan’s “Freight Train Blues” was awesome. I love how tight this band is. I enjoyed the original track, too. “One Time Show” was good, but I did think that the vocalist lost a bit of energy. The band seemed a bit more upbeat than him, but they were still quite solid. It hasn’t been long enough since this big-band style died out for it to come back in style again, so these guys are past their time, or before their time. They're just never going to be present time.
The Likes of You — I love this guy’s falsetto. John says there’s too much of it and you can hear that a bit in their original, but I can deal. The twists they put on Dylan’s “Blowin’ in the Wind” were great and you can see exactly why the singer opened for Hall & Oates. Their original, “Love and Gravity,” had a classic Daryl Hall & John Oates feel to it.
Tres Bien! — I don’t think the singer quite captured the vocal Olympics in “Subterranean Homesick Blues,” but he made a valiant effort. It was a good take on a classic and fit their style very well. Or I thought it was their style, because they surprised me a bit on the second track. Again, I was picturing The Strokes, The Vines, The Hives etc… and I got more Marty McFly/Back to the Future. Their original, “Easy to Love Me,” was right out of a malt shop. I expected more edge, but at the same time, they were quite good.
Sixwire — How fitting that the major-label act closes the show. All right, that’s the last time I’m going to pick on them for that, because they really are good. Unique, no. But I don’t see unique necessarily selling country records these days. Their straight-up version of “Mr. Tambourine Man” was excellent and showed me they might have a slight crossover feel as that reminded me of the Gin Blossoms. Gin Blossoms and Goo Goo Dolls sort of blend in the same era for me, so this should be a band that John Rzeznik likes. Their original was great as well. These guys are really on point as a band. Again, if I hadn’t seen the band and this song popped on the radio I would have probably thought that Rascal Flatts had a new one out, though. That’s something that will sell.
Too good to lump in with the rest:
Franklin Bridge — Sick. Just ridiculously sick how good this was. I flipped over their smoothed-up version of “Tangled Up in Blue” despite Dicko saying it was just too much in the arrangement. And their song “Incredible” was just that. I love their style and the singer has the most stage presence of anyone on the show. The singer looks and reminds me a bit of Prince Paul, who dabbles outside the urban music box just like these guys. Easily my favorite of them all.
So, the first performances are done and this week my vote goes to Franklin Bridge hands down. I would expect to see Dot Dot Dot and Cliff Wagner and the Old #7 going home next week. Cliff deserves to stay at least over Rocket, but I just can’t imagine them getting any votes no matter how good they are.
My apologies for the length, but I’m sure this will get shorter as we lose some bands. Let me know what you thought of it this week!
Until next week, friends.
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Oct 26, 2007 11:35 PM
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I agree, David, the show was much easier to watch this week. After the idiocy of having them perform in the middle of a desert I half expected them to be required to play outside near one of the fire sites with ash blowing through their hair and the camera crew hindering the relief effort! But they really smartened it up this week.
I missed the first four bands so I'll be hunting them on youtube!
My favorites of the ones I saw by far were The Clark Brothers, (the OTHER major label artists on the show - ahem,David.)they are adorable; Franklin Bridge,he has probably the best voice in the competition; and Sixwire my favorite of all.
Rocket made me cringe.
I found my mind wandering during Dot Dot Dot.
Cliff and the Old #7 made me smile.
The Muggs had me trying to decide if I liked them or not, which I don't think is a good sign.
I thought Tres Bien! was not particularly appealing.
To the show: I saw the Little Naked Boys were back. Seriously, put some clothes on those kids. It's creepy and will probably NOT attract the kind of viewers you're hoping for.
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Oct 27, 2007 12:05 AM
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Denver and the mile high orchestra: good..the singer is surprisingly good...still i feel they are 10 years too late and you could see it in the audience...they looked a little disinterested
The Hatch: i did not like them at all...no hook...the singer did not sound that good...and they did not have the Maroon 5 sound they had in the auditions it was more of a failed attempt at The Killers
Light of Doom: i too love me some rock...and i liked what they put out there...sometimes the singer was good and sometimes he was not but he is only 13 and i'm sure his voice hasnt changed yet...they did seem a little off but were far from the worst on the show
the likes of you: disappointing...too much falsetto and is he always gonna end the songs w/ a falsetto hold to an oo oo oo...very lame
Rocket: i liked the original...the cover was lame cuz when you cut up Knockin on heaven's door you get 1 verse and 30 seconds of 'knock knock knockin on heavens door' which gets old fast...the original was catchy the lyrics were a little soft i'd prefer a little more 'f you dudes we're independent chicks'...but they were going for it just fell a bit short
the old 7: i dig it but its too niche...and too old...they are good tho
the muggs: Clapton w/o as good a voice...thats it...i too need vocals to help draw me in
the Clark brothers: my favorites...they get me pumped up...lots of excitement and amazing musicality i think i'm gonna be on this band wagon for as long as this lasts
Tres Bien!: these guys were good and very surprising...they had a 50s - 60s sound...and it was very good...also in the top tier
Franklin Bridge: good...i was not as enthusiastic about them as everyone else...i'm just not a funk fan....umm....yea but they were good..i do agree over arranged and over produced...they need to simplify...especially the singer he was trying to do too much w/ his voice
Dot Dot Dot: Sucks Sucks Sucks...too cliche...the original could have been ironic and it was just bad and i think that is what Johny was trying to get at when he was talking about needing better lyrics...umm the singer is just not that good vocally
Sixwire: too good to be impressive...i expect them to sound that good...i liked how the video made it seem like they had released an album on their own on like their own label not on Warner Bros...i think they realize having them on is a mistake...when they started the original i could have sworn i had heard it before...is that what they auditioned w/? or is it just that it sounds like every other country song out there right now?...seriously
My top 3:
1) clark bros
2) franklin brige
3) tres bien!
bottom 2:
1)The Hatch
2)dot dot dot
going home:
old 7 and denver
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Oct 27, 2007 12:35 AM
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Since no one seems to notice this, I guess it won't matter if I keep saying it. Sixwire is NOT the only contestant that has already had a record deal. The Clark Brothers and their family had a huge hit with Meanwhile Back at the Farm and were signed with Curb records. So, mffnmn, by your own criteria, your favorite shouldn't be included in this competition.
I checked friend totals and plays on myspace, which is a BIG deal in the band world (and I would guess voting) and some of the results were surprising.
Here they are in order:
Friends:
#1. The Muggs - 44,319
#2. The Hatch - 18,486
#3. Rocket - 16,704
#4. Dot Dot Dot- 9,963
#5. Sixwire - 9,238
#6. Tres Bien! - 8,960
#7. Light of Doom- 2,565
#8. Clark Brothers- 2,256
#9. Franklin Bridge - 1,900
#10.Cliff Wagner - 1,827
#11.Denver - 909
#12.Likes of You 583
Plays:
#1. Rocket - 251,175
#2. The Muggs - 133,858
#3. The Hatch - 108,081
#4. Dot Dot Dot - 101,275
#5. Tres Bien! - 97,951
#6. Light of Doom - 54,152
#7. Clark Brothers- 51,321
#8. Sixwire - 39,941
#9. Franklin Bridge- 34,148
#10.Denver - 2,924
#11.Likes of You - 2,821
#12.Cliff Wagner - 1,827
(and yeah, I have too much time on my hands!)
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Oct 27, 2007 2:12 AM
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Hi David. Great show! I hope it improves in ratings. I have no problems whatsoever listening to originals, and it excites me no end that they will have to perform one each week. Bring it on!
I mostly agree with your groupings. Mine would go like this:
Poor: Light of Doom, Dot Dot Dot, The Hatch, with The Hatch going home first. They were the worst IMO.
Average: Rocket, Cliff Wagner & the Old #7, The Muggs, Denver and the Mile High Band, Tres Bien and Sixwire.
Both Denver and Tres Bien's lead singers practically lost their voices in the second song. They looked tired, and they will never pull off a decent concert that way. Loved Sixwire's original (and yes, to another poster, I think they did sing it last week at the audition), but their Dylan song felt slow to me.
The top three just put the others to waste: Clark Brothers, The Likes of You, and Franklin Bridge. They played well, they had strong lead singers, their originals were great and unique. They were far and above the others. If they keep it up, they will be the last three standing.
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Oct 27, 2007 3:08 AM
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This show really should be all unsigned, never signed bands. I also think the bands should have been in existence for at least 1 year with a minimum of 10 gigs under their belts to qualify. That means, Sixwire, Clark Brothers, The Likes of You and Dot Dot Dot should all have been excluded from this series. Wow, that's 1/3 of the finalists.
Denver Mile High:
Good, but again, I just don't see this type of band winning. They should stick around awhile as they are clearly near the top half.
The Hatch:
Fail. Band is average and the singer isn't good. He had no voice on the second song. Just another Mark McGrath pretty boy band with far less talent than Sugar Ray.
Light of Doom:
They're decent, but they need a few more years of practice and lessons, especially the singer. I thought the guitarist was pretty good and I know a little about them through friends. The guitarist should be sick by the time he's 18.
The Likes of You:
We were all wondering last week if these guys weren't shown much on tv because they were so far ahead of the others. Well, maybe not, but they are one of the better bands. I like that Xerxes admitted that he originally signed up to further his solo career, but that the band just worked. Hmm, I'm still suspicious, but they should last some time. He does need to cut back on the falsetto. Less is more, Xerxes, less is more.
Rocket:
Terrible. The band was a little better than last week but not much. The singer can't sing. She has a nasally voice, with no real tone.
Old #7:
These guys are really good and a bunch of fun. But again, I don't see Bluegrass winning this competition. They should stick around a bit though.
The Muggs:
I like these guys, but the singer just isn't a good singer. He has this deep speaking voice, but when he sings it sounds like he's got gravel in his throat, and a vice grip around it. I know they have a following in our area, and other local bands like them, but they're a bunch of ugly old guys and the singer isn't good enough. Sorry.
The Clark Brothers:
I like them, but they're kinda hokey. Also, I didn't know they had a recording contract with their family group, so they shouldn't have been allowed in this show. I do like them and their instrument changing, and their original song was one of the best. They'll stick around as well.
Tres Bien!:
Meh. They're ok, but their original wasn't very good and they just aren't as good as say Hives, Vines, Strokes, etc.
Franklin Bridge:
I don't get it. They were ok, but they weren't fantastic. I liked them better last week. I don't think Sheila E should have proclaimed them the winners. It makes all her other judgments questionable. Like Simon, is she deliberately trying to make us pick them to win by bagging on the other bands and not giving them a fair shake? The Dylan song was overproduced and Rzeznik said, and they're original was so so. They should last to the final four though, unless they just totally crap the bed at some point...which I don't see happening.
Dot Dot Dot:
Like last week, Suck, Suck, Suck. The band isn't really that bad, but the lead singer is a much worse Lukas Rossi from Rock Star: Supernova. He can't sing. The Dylan song was meh, and they're original was catchy but it sounded like a ripoff of some other song (that I can't quite place.)
Sixwire:
They're too good. They shouldn't have been allowed to compete. New country has a bunch of fans and they just might win. People don't understand what an advantage these guys have. Having been signed once, they've been through all the image consultants, and PR people and everything else. That alone gives them a huge leg up. Much more than the Clark brothers because they were kids, in a family band, and in a much smaller "niche" market. These guys were mainstream all the way, but failed. I mean, next year will it be Katrina & The Waves? Dexy's Midnight Runners? GTR?
Please. They're good but shouldn't be on this show.
Bottom 4:
Dot Dot Dot, Rocket, Hatch and (as much as it pains me) The Muggs. Pick any 2 and that's who's going home. I'm betting Muggs and Dot Dot Dot.
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Oct 27, 2007 9:36 AM
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debbie - No, I noticed it but to me The Clark Brothers didn't have a major label deal. The Clark Family Experience had a major label deal. A six piece band is not up on stage. The Clark Family Experience is much different than the brothers on stage right now. To me, it's a different band. Sure, they've had a little major label exposure, but it's not the same sound at all. Sixwire is the same band, exactly. Subtle difference. I certainly see where you are coming from though.
And you and I must define "huge" differently. #18 on the country charts and #80 on the pop charts doesn't scream out HUGE to me. Plus, I had never heard the song until right now. I'm not saying I've heard every song, but I know my music and I would have bet you'd I'd at least heard almost every HUGE hit this decade. Good song though. And there I get to hear what they would sound like with a drummer. I like that much better.
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Oct 27, 2007 10:28 AM
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David, I concede 'huge' may have been overstating it, but it is a song I was familiar with and I recognized The Clark Brothers immediately when I saw them. In contrast, I couldn't tell you to save my life anything Sixwire had ever done.
I suppose my point is that it doesn't seem fair to me for Sixwire to be singled out as an example and criticized for being on the show. They tried out in good faith and made it. I'm sure this is a very big deal and exciting for them.
Just because they were signed at one time doesn't mean it was a good experience or that they were promoted properly. Excellent bands fall through the label cracks constantly.
We can say we think the rules should have been different, but they aren't and because of that Sixwire has as much right as anyone else to be there and to win.
They were accepted by the show, which- I’m guessing- followed, their own rules. When any of us get our own show we can make our own rules.
If anything the show should be criticized for adapting American Idols' flawed and ridiculous endless voting method and for putting the show on Friday nights when people who like live bands are generally out watching live bands… live.
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Oct 28, 2007 3:26 AM
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debbie - now there's a post I'm behind.
Just because they were signed at one time doesn't mean it was a good experience or that they were promoted properly. Excellent bands fall through the label cracks constantly.
If you were to look through my collection you'd see so many bands with 1 great album on a major label and then thanks to no promotion got dropped. What's a shame is that 75% of these bands get so jaded that they stop making music. I'm not going to mention the major label anymore, but also take note that I still keep saying they are one of the top bands...so I'm not saying they suck...just picking on them a bit.
If anything the show should be criticized for adapting American Idols' flawed and ridiculous endless voting method and for putting the show on Friday nights when people who like live bands are generally out watching live bands… live.
Well, yeah - this one does seem quite stupid. I don't think Bowden is going to say "We had a record 23 million votes this week." Instead maybe "our first week totals were astounding, we got over 1,000 votes. And at the bottom with 3 votes is..."
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Oct 28, 2007 10:53 AM
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Great recap, David. I agreed with many of your comments but we're pretty far from one another in terms of ranking. I do agree that the production was MUCH better now that they're in house, some of the back drops/lighting were extremely cool. Now for my rankings:
12. Hatch - I personally can't stand them, I've known garage bands that were not only better, but MUCH better. Their whole dynamic kind of disturbs me. They all live together and have train berth beds? Do none of them have relationships? Even if their coupled within their group there just seems to be something that gives me an asexual vibe which for a band would be the kiss of death, right?
11. Dot Dot Dot - absolutely agree that they really don't show a lot of talent. The lead is just goofy and looks like he's trying to be a Lucas Rossi clone.
10.Rocket - low caliber at best. The lead has a very reedy voice, no real power there.
9. Muggs - They hold no appeal for me. Lead can't sing and while it is commendable that the bass brought himself back from a devastating stroke, that really isn't a good enough reason to put them through for too much longer.
8. Cliff Wagner/#7 - They are very good, and I enjoy bluegrass but they just seem too out of place in this competition. I think if they had more stage presence that would go a long way with me. As it is though they just stand in front of their mike and play [really well] but visually its boring. I keep picturing Lester Flatts and Earl Scruggs.
7. Denver - I actually do love these guys but I just don't see big band catching on so they won't last even though they do have an immense amount of talent on that stage. The lead is probably the week spot which is never good for a band. I absolutely disagreed with the Aussie judge's assessment that he lose the red suit - that is a great statement although I think he should have a grey shirt and black tie to pick up the rest of the band's suits.
6. Tres Bien - I really liked their retro feel last week but this week they sounded really off. They'll make it through this week but if we see mediocre performances from them next week they'll leave before they should.
5. Franklin Bridge - I must not have any musical taste at all because these guys just bore me. I do like the lead singer, but the whole style of music just goes right past me.
4.Light of Doom - So glad the judges told them to put their shirts on. It was really cute how the lead singer told the other two "I told you so". I really don't think I could have continued to back them if they went out there trying to sex it up at their age. Not being hypocritical after my asexual comment with Hatch, I can see these kids becoming sexual as they get older, but I just don't see that with Hatch. I really am impressed with the level of talent from these boys although I'll admit it may have a lot to do with their age as opposed to their musical content. I wish their style was a little less metal just because I'm never going to get into it that much.
3.Clark Brothers - Really liked these guys and was very happy to see that they apparently had no trouble moving away from the Christian influence that they showcased last week. Not only are they cute but they have a nice range of instrument use and they do it well. I liked the original, but I didn't think it was all that good so I'm not sure how many they'll be able to come up with and how good they'll be.
2. SixWire - Really liked them, love the original [although repeating it 2 weeks in a row scares me a bit]. I think they are the tightest of all the bands and there just doesn't seem to be a weak spot among them.
1. The Likes of You - I have a really hard time remembering this band name for some reason, but I loved them. The lead singer is awesome and the rest of the band is very talented. I'm sure they've all been doing studio work for years.
Going home next week - Dot Dot Dot and Rocket. I agree that it will be hard to get votes for Chuck Wagner but I think their technical skill will take them further along in the competition. Neither Dot or Rocket has much technical skill at all and I think that at least initially we'll lose the bands based more on skill than emotional pull. Once we get down to half a dozen bands its going to be really tough because we'll have gotten rid of all the also rans and be left with the tightest of the tight.
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Oct 29, 2007 10:43 AM
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Dot Dot Dot wasn't that bad I know that second song didn't sound good.But Adam is a good singer and they are all good musicians.They tour all over illinois and have alot of fans .So don't count them out yet.You might be the fool not Adam.And do you know any music at all.The band you liked was to gospel and noit that entertaining.
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Oct 29, 2007 3:21 PM
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jds1162 - The line was set at 4th post, 3rd week - for the first time I'd be told I didn't know anything about music. I took the under! 10th post, week 2 is the winner. Looks like I'm going to get paid tonight!
I may take my winnings and see some unentertaining gospel music.
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Oct 29, 2007 4:15 PM
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David I researched Sixwire in Nashville. Facts are: were signed to Warner Brothers. First single Look At Me Now made top 25 on country billboard. There next single flopped. They have through all the label preping for a artist. No where near Rascal Flatts.
They were managed by Ken Sandridge and Gary Borman( faith hill, keith urban, lonestar) to name a few. They were dropped by management. Word around town in industry is that lead and guitarist could not get along with industry executives. They worked ok demos with dan huff producer of Flatts. But they refused outside songs and outside producer.
They do not deserve to be in this at all. No matter what the rules are or not. The show is built around taking a raw band and developing them into the great band. The ratings are down because the show concept is far from the real idol. It doesn't matter who wins. They are locked into a long contract and are basically owned. Their merch publishing and etc all belongs to the show.
If I were some of the other bands I would be a little upset with the show because of bands like Sixwire in it. Debbie it obvious you either know these guys are a fan. You know its all true. Did I also mention they are the band for Nashville Star on USA network. That also has same sponsors hum. Word on the street is that Randy Jackson hand delivered their demo. Guess we will just have to wait and see. They are good. Why hasn't another label signed them already in Nashville. ?????? If they are good enough to win the show why not get a deal?
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Oct 29, 2007 7:26 PM
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I still feel your being unfare.With them and I really don't think country music is that great .And gospel isn't my favorite either .Let's just hope dod dod dot does better this time if they survived last weeks voting.And I think they will.
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Nov 1, 2007 4:13 PM
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Everyone needs to back off about the bands that had a record deal. They were allowed to be on the show so they should be judged accordingly. And if they are the best they should win. I am sure that there were other bands that auditioned that have had record deals before and didn't make it. The only thing I was really confused about was the Zombie band. I loved them at the audition and I know they said they made it. So where did they go? Why weren't they on?
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Nov 1, 2007 6:06 PM
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